Alvarez 5025 ( Dove ) 68-69 Rosewood/spruce
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I have this guitar on e bay and have an offer of $600.
i am going to accept ,unless someone makes a higher offer on Reverb by Monday.
I have another thirty hours to accept or decline their offer.
if I don't get an higher offer by Monday ,I have to pull ad from Reverb,as it will be sold.
This is an Alvarez 5025 model number,with the serial being 3094,with no zero prefixes.
Made 1968-69
Last six pictures are of a 67-68 Gibson Dove. Look at the pictures closely.
I DROPPED THE PRICE BY HALF. REASON BEING.
THE ORIGINAL 68 Gibson Dove was known as a failure and Gibson didn't rectify this for quite a few years.
Alvarez did change the Dove drastically with the model 5024.
But as this is NOT a 5024 it is almost exactly like the 68 Gibson Dove.
Basically a 68 Gibson Dove,albeit with much more expensive woods used.
As a collectors guitar or someone that wants a well made quality guitar that plays great ,$1250. Is a good deal.
The Alvarez Dove is actually model 5024,but this one is 5025 Dove.( They never did make a Dove production model like this with rosewood )
just heard back from Alvarez,they are as perplexed as anyone else.
it seems the guitar was made in 68-69 and that it is laminated woods.
the top is spruce,hence the cracks in finish on top don't go through.
the interesting thing is the rosewood. Why they laminated it with rosewood on both the outside and inside of the guitar is a mystery.
in other words,it has beautiful rosewood back and sides with a high gloss finish and also on the inside of the guitar is also rosewood,meaning the laminate has to be between the two pieces of rosewood. It would have been easier just to make it solid rosewood.
in 1968 Gibson changed the way they were manufacturing the Dove.
Apparently they were getting quite a few returned as they were quite fragile,so in 68 they decided to change the bracings on the inside of the body. This made the guitar heavier ,but sturdier. They also kept the tune o magic bridges.
Gibson used MAHOGANY for back and sides,never rosewood,and they of course stained most with a red finish,but there were still the natural spruce tops.
I believe it was at this time Gibson also used laminated wood.
The only difference really between a 68-69 Gibson and Alvarez was the fact that Alvarez used more expensive wood.
As the bodies are the same,( 5025 ) they put on the new Dove bridge,which is carved and inlaid with the Dove image,then put on a Dove pick-guard and the parallelogram inlays on the fingerboard and a Tune O Matic bridge ...
That is why this guitar is like no other Alvarez Dove. This must have been the prototype for the model 5024.
The thing that is amazing is the craftsmanship and woods used. It is a spruce top and MATCHING BARZILAN ROSEWOOD BACK AND SIDES. As this has a two piece back,you can easily see the grain matches,I also out in pix of both sides of guitar and again,the grain matches.
The inside of guitar also is rosewood,only unfinished of course.( this I refer to above )
It has the old original Alverez script logo inlaid in abalone or pearl, All the parallelograms on fingerboard are perfect inlays as well.
It has SIX layer bindings all around top and back of body,as well as a bound neck,up to headstock.
I put Klusens on it,just because I hated the tuners they used,hence this looks more like an original Gibson Dove.
Forget about all this"LAWSUIT" nonsense. This would pre date it anyway.
All the serial numbers I have seen for the 5025 or 5024 originals are five or six digits,this Dove only has a four digit serial number. #3094.
I have used it to record rhythm tracks only,as it is as good as it gets for chording in respect to being recorded.
It sounds more like a J-200 with heavy strings. When I said it has no sustain,that's not true of course it sustains,but not a lot.
Listen to the Everly Brothers early songs with acoustic J-200 intros. Bye Bye Love,Wake Up Little Susie etc. It records that well.
ALL the rosewood is great condition, very little use,nothing over the top. They must have spent some time finishing these guitars with finishes this clean and hard. Retains an extremely high gloss.
The case is a cheap hard shell,it may or may not be the original ?
I saw one other that got $2500. It was also an Alvarez,but can't remember if it was a 5024 or 5025 and for what reason it sold for so much money. Just Google away on this guitar.
Im asking $1250. or best REASONABLE offer for a guitar this rare and such high quality.
Shipping I will NOT get stuck again. so shipping will be $75-$100. unless you have a cheaper way of shipping.
i am going to accept ,unless someone makes a higher offer on Reverb by Monday.
I have another thirty hours to accept or decline their offer.
if I don't get an higher offer by Monday ,I have to pull ad from Reverb,as it will be sold.
This is an Alvarez 5025 model number,with the serial being 3094,with no zero prefixes.
Made 1968-69
Last six pictures are of a 67-68 Gibson Dove. Look at the pictures closely.
I DROPPED THE PRICE BY HALF. REASON BEING.
THE ORIGINAL 68 Gibson Dove was known as a failure and Gibson didn't rectify this for quite a few years.
Alvarez did change the Dove drastically with the model 5024.
But as this is NOT a 5024 it is almost exactly like the 68 Gibson Dove.
Basically a 68 Gibson Dove,albeit with much more expensive woods used.
As a collectors guitar or someone that wants a well made quality guitar that plays great ,$1250. Is a good deal.
The Alvarez Dove is actually model 5024,but this one is 5025 Dove.( They never did make a Dove production model like this with rosewood )
just heard back from Alvarez,they are as perplexed as anyone else.
it seems the guitar was made in 68-69 and that it is laminated woods.
the top is spruce,hence the cracks in finish on top don't go through.
the interesting thing is the rosewood. Why they laminated it with rosewood on both the outside and inside of the guitar is a mystery.
in other words,it has beautiful rosewood back and sides with a high gloss finish and also on the inside of the guitar is also rosewood,meaning the laminate has to be between the two pieces of rosewood. It would have been easier just to make it solid rosewood.
in 1968 Gibson changed the way they were manufacturing the Dove.
Apparently they were getting quite a few returned as they were quite fragile,so in 68 they decided to change the bracings on the inside of the body. This made the guitar heavier ,but sturdier. They also kept the tune o magic bridges.
Gibson used MAHOGANY for back and sides,never rosewood,and they of course stained most with a red finish,but there were still the natural spruce tops.
I believe it was at this time Gibson also used laminated wood.
The only difference really between a 68-69 Gibson and Alvarez was the fact that Alvarez used more expensive wood.
As the bodies are the same,( 5025 ) they put on the new Dove bridge,which is carved and inlaid with the Dove image,then put on a Dove pick-guard and the parallelogram inlays on the fingerboard and a Tune O Matic bridge ...
That is why this guitar is like no other Alvarez Dove. This must have been the prototype for the model 5024.
The thing that is amazing is the craftsmanship and woods used. It is a spruce top and MATCHING BARZILAN ROSEWOOD BACK AND SIDES. As this has a two piece back,you can easily see the grain matches,I also out in pix of both sides of guitar and again,the grain matches.
The inside of guitar also is rosewood,only unfinished of course.( this I refer to above )
It has the old original Alverez script logo inlaid in abalone or pearl, All the parallelograms on fingerboard are perfect inlays as well.
It has SIX layer bindings all around top and back of body,as well as a bound neck,up to headstock.
I put Klusens on it,just because I hated the tuners they used,hence this looks more like an original Gibson Dove.
Forget about all this"LAWSUIT" nonsense. This would pre date it anyway.
All the serial numbers I have seen for the 5025 or 5024 originals are five or six digits,this Dove only has a four digit serial number. #3094.
I have used it to record rhythm tracks only,as it is as good as it gets for chording in respect to being recorded.
It sounds more like a J-200 with heavy strings. When I said it has no sustain,that's not true of course it sustains,but not a lot.
Listen to the Everly Brothers early songs with acoustic J-200 intros. Bye Bye Love,Wake Up Little Susie etc. It records that well.
ALL the rosewood is great condition, very little use,nothing over the top. They must have spent some time finishing these guitars with finishes this clean and hard. Retains an extremely high gloss.
The case is a cheap hard shell,it may or may not be the original ?
I saw one other that got $2500. It was also an Alvarez,but can't remember if it was a 5024 or 5025 and for what reason it sold for so much money. Just Google away on this guitar.
Im asking $1250. or best REASONABLE offer for a guitar this rare and such high quality.
Shipping I will NOT get stuck again. so shipping will be $75-$100. unless you have a cheaper way of shipping.
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