MAKE OFFER MARTIN ? ELKHART BAND CO. GOLD PLATE DELUXE ENGRAVING 1927 PLAY READY ALTO SAX SAXOPHONE

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myref655c1  SEE MY OTHER GREAT ITEMS

MAKE REASONABLE OFFER I WILL CONSIDER BUT DON'T WASTE MY TIME WITH LOW BALL OFFERS !

THIS IS A PRO HORN NOT LIKE THE LATER BUESCHER ELKHART STUDENT MODELS

OFFERED HERE VERY VERY RARE !!!! THE ONLY OTHER DELUXE DELUXE ONE EXISTS THAT I KNOW OF IS ON SAXOPHONE.ORG.

THIS ONE IS LIKE THEIR EXAMPLE. THEY PUT IT A UNDER MARTIN HANDCRAFT. RESEARCH IT PUT IN " MARTIN HANDCRAFT "

BUT ALSO THERE SEEMS TO BE CONFLICTING DATA ON THE HISTORY

ALSO A SMART GUY WROTE ME THIS

KEVIN SAID

>This Elkhart Band instrument Company Alto is vintage circa 1927.


Updates to History:
Elkhart BAND INSTRUMENT COMPANY was always a subsidiary of Buescher. It has nothing to do with Martin.
The company was established in September 1919 by CD Greenleaf of CG Conn Ltd and AH Beardsley of Miles Labs. In 1916 both of these men lead a consortium to buy control of Buescher.
In 1922, Elkhart Band Instrument Company trademarked the Elkhead logo and began manufacturing on Main St, but only saxes.
In 1923 Elkhart moved to Plum St.
In 1927 Elkhart began adding more band instruments to their line, lat in the year. Serial number changed to ####-Yr <

Kevin also said this

Hi again,

The information you found regarding EBIC being founded in 1923 is false.
I have the Indiana Secretary of State documentation that proves the founding is September 1919.
I have the trademark registration that shows 1st commercial use of the Trademark branding as shown on this sax was September 1922 on Main St.
I also have the documentation showing the move of BIC to Plum St.

Everything I have provided is documented from 10years of research.

Generally, the old information on the internet is wrong and is just repeated, between sites.

Please see my reporting in the saxontheweb.net forums under Elkhart Band Instrument Co and Stencil Schmencil.

Best Regards,
Kevin


THIS IS A STENCIL ALTO MADE BY MARTIN ( ACCORDING TO SAXOPHONE.ORG ) OR BUESCHER according to my other friends data above AND ANOTHER FRIEND SAYS IT IS A MARTIN STENCIL !!

>>MARTIN STENCIL ( ARNE SAYS )
HI, this is for sure a Martin made Elkhart stencil. Martin and Buescher made horns for Elkhart. See list of stencils

However Buescher never had soldered on (Bevelled) tone holes, so it's a Martin made stencil.

If it has a high C# adjuster, it's based on Martin Phase III made in between 1928-1931.
If not, it's made in the period between 1921-1928 It's extremely rare to see the stencil's in that kind of top class high end model including gold plate and extensive engraving. <<

OK my friend above KEVIN added more to his data SUGGESTING THIS IN NOT A MARTIN

>>>>I found the sax on saxophone.org you refer to and sent them corrected information

While early (1922-1927) 50,000 series Elkhart BAND INSTRUMENT COMPANY saxes do look similar to Martin's, there are many differences:
1) Martin stencils in the high 26,000's added a 1 to the serial making them 126,000's. Highest Martin stencil prior to this recorded is 26,581.
2) In April 1929 Martin launched the Indiana Band Instrument Co with a new serial systems. All non- Martin branded production then went under the IBIC serial system. Thus Martin could continue its serial system into the 100,000's without confusion with stencils. I have recorded Martin stencils from 126,900 - 194,600.
3) Elkhart BAND INSTRUMENT COMAPANY saxes have a different bore to the Martin's, including Martin stencils.
4) Elkhart serials have a L.P. under them, while Martins spell out LOW PITCH which is above the serial number.
5) While looking similar, the G# cluster is different between Elkhart and Martin.
6) The bell bow bottom brace is different between Elkhart & Martin.
7) The Low C key including control is different between Elkhart & Martin.

In July 1919, Pan American was incorporated as a subsidiary of Conn Ltd by CD Greenleaf and AH Beardsley. In September 1919 the same 2 incorporated the Elkhart Band Instrument Co as a subsidiary of Buescher. <<<<

I FOUND THIS:

MORE HISTORY ABOUT THE " ELKHART MUSICAL COMPANY ELKHART IN. WAS FORMED.

>The company was founded in 1923 by  

...who served the new company as secretary-treasurer. The company produced "Elkhart" branded band instruments as well instruments to be sold under merchandisers' brands ("stencil" instruments). Instruments produced by the company had an irregular assortment of features borrowed from the products of Conn and Buescher, partners in the consortium.

In 1927 the company merged with Buescher (some maintain that Buescher was purchased by Elkhart Band Instrument Company). <

AT ANY RATE I KENNY SAYS 

this is a spectacular find !!!!!

I TOOK IT APART AND HAND POLSIHED IT EVERY WHERE.
THE PADS WERE NEWER AND IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE ( MY TECH REPLACED 6 PADS AND RESEATED OTHERS ETC ( SEE PIC OF ALL HE DID )

IT HAS THE SOUND LIKE A MARTIN.
1 ENGRAVING ON BELL , BOW , UP THE BACK ETC
2 ALL ROLLERS ROLL
3 BODY TO BELL BRACE FINE
4 NO REAL DENTS I SEE. ( LOOK AT ALL PICS )
5 BOTTOM NO DENTS
6 THE FINISH IS PRETTY AMAZING. NOT MUCH SILVER BLEED THRU EXCEPT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ELKHART BAND INST LOGO BUT IT IS SLIGHT. ALSO TO THE LEFT OF THE THUMB REST THERE IS A BIT OF WEAR BUT STILL NOT TOO BAD. THERE IS SOME FINISH FRECKLES HERE AND THERE. SOME WEAR ON PALM KEYS ETC ( SEE PICS )
7 THE NECK AND SERIAL NUMBER MATCH 57037 ( THE ONE ON SAXOPHONE.ORG IS 56694 ) I THINK SOMEONE FROM CONN MAYBE A STENBERG BROTHER DID THIS ENGRAVING. IT IS STYLISTICLY VERY SIMILAR.

WHY THERE ARE TWO SAXES MINE... AND THE ONE ON SAXOPHONE.ORG HAVE SUCH CLOSE SERIAL NUMBERS IS VERY INTERESTING.

8 THE SERIAL ON THE SAX AND NECK MATCH ( NEW CORK ON THE NECK )

ONE DRAG IS THE LYRE HOLDER WAS MISSING YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE PIC 12 ( NOT THAT IT MATTERS TOO MUCH UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO MARCH WITH IT LOL )
9 THE CASE IS VERY VERY NICE AND LOOKS LIKE MAYBE MARTIN BUT NO NAME I CAN FIND.
I DID MY BEST TO DESCRIBE THIS ITEM. THIS REALLY IS A PIECE OF HISTORY FOR A COLLECTOR / PLAYER / OR BOTH !!!!

10 BEVELED TONE HOLES AGAIN :THIS IS A PRO HORN NOT LIKE THE LATER BUESCHER ELKHART STUDENT MODELS

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